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to contrast that with a well known famous saying among lawyers that hard cases make bad law. in a case like this, with such extraordinary circumstances, around such an aberrant event, the best opportunities to pass meaningful legislation are not in the wake of these sort of crazy one off extraordinary events. what do you make of that? >> well, it is a real conundrum. on the one hand, holmes was right. you don't want extraordinary circumstances to create general law for average circumstances. but in another sense, this was not extraordinary. in fact, we've been living in something of a bubble. the fbi has done actually a fairly amazing job over the last decade of stopping many terrorist acts like when they occurred in other countries and europe and the middle east. and this was one that got through. but there are ways in which you could actually change laws to further enable the fbi. going back to michael isikoff's report. what if members of this mosque in boston had contacted law enforcement authorities under a new program and warned them that this fellow tsarnaev was looking a little errat
and it was a scene with, you know, scores of law enforcement, state, federal, you know, bomb teams, s.w.a.t., you name it, they were there. a big perimeter setup for a manhunt to find the second suspect. >> eric, thank you. willie, when you get a sense of the danger right now that faces watertown at this very moment after all that went down last night and the killing of an mit police officer, the car-jacking, the robbing, the bombs in the streets, the ied attached to this body, you get a sense of the suspect. you get a sense in terms of what law enforcement was able to piece together since the bombing in boston where you had pieces of pressure cookers and things that made you think they may be homemade devices and this may be home-grown and this made a little rudimentary, if i may, but now you find out from the work that they have done and all of the pictures and the video they have put together, you find out that they stood there to watch. they stood there to watch after the bombing. that says something. secondly you find out they have been in the united states as long as a year. may have milita
team of law enforcement folks who have done this the right way, by building from facts up to a theory rather than from a theory out. >> governor, the "boston globe" says it all had this morning for boston -- edging toward not normal, but there is still a lot of concern. based on what you know, has the threat passed? >> i think we think so. there are a lot of leads that law enforcement is still pursuing, the fbi and the atf, the state police and local police as well. there are a lot of questions that all of us have and that law enforcement have yet to answer for us including questions directly to the suspect, but there isn't any basis for concern about another imminent threat. >> let me ask you some particulars about the surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, who is now in the hospital. apparently he has a wound to the throat. did he try to commit suicide? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> do you know when doctors are saying he might actually be able to communicate? is there a real question about whether he'll be able to speak? >> i don't know those answers, david. i do know that h
trying to escape law enforcement. here's how it played out. around 10:00 p.m. last night, the suspects robbed a store. they then proceeded to fatally shoot an m.i.t. security officer and hijack a mercedes suv. the owner of that vehicle was held hostage for half an hour while the two brothers pulled $800 out of an atm. they released the owner of the mercedes unharmed. police chased the suspects into watertown, where this shootout took place. the suspects exchanged fire with police and threw explosives towards them. at one point, tamerlan sarn ev got out of the car wearing an ied strapped to his chest and was shot by police. his body was run over by dzhokah tsarnaev as he fled the scene. at present the manhunt continues. the police are looking for a younger brother and a possible accomplice. let's bring in nbc justice correspondent, pete williams. this is a quickly developing situation. how many people are the police looking for right now? >> i think they're not sure. i think we can say probably three. dzhokah tsarnaev, the person who is the man with the white hat and the marathon bombin
to be watching these guys. maybe we need to change the laws so we can watch them. on the other side lawmakers say this is a free country. you can't just watch somebody because they are strong believers. how deep is the divide? >> we are going to see weeks and months of debate about this. same kind of othing we saw after the failed underwear bombing plot and the times square bombing plot, questions about holding the suspects as enemy combattants. if there is any evidence that the fbi or intelligence services made a mistake expect republicans to seize on that and use it as an opportunity to accuse the president of being too politicly correct in challenging what they think is a war against radical islam. >> i want to bring in a republican from pennsylvania and a member of the homeland security committee. good morning. >> nice to be with you. >> as you go into the briefing what are your concerns and questions in. >> we want to try to know what happened as every other american does with a little more detail. i think you identified the questions that are out there. from the front end, what is it that i
be an accomplice as well. police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled explosion. also right now in southern massachusetts, the campus of umass dartmouth is being evacuated. the school has confirmed someone connected to the bombings is enrolled as a student there. we're trying to clear up those details for you. we know this began last night with reports of gunfire on the m.i.t. campus. police say the man shot and killed 26-year-old sean collier, an m.i.t. police officer, who was just sitting in his cruiser. his broad was riddled with several gunshots. the two men car jacked a mercedes suv at gunpoint. police began a chase while those suspects were
considered as a possible hideout? >> well, as you know, chris, they started with a 20-square-block area. law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal another car and our worst case scenario and get out of town. once law enforcement finishes this search of this 20 square block, then they have to regroup and figure out what cars have been stolen in the area that he might have used to get away from, or did we miss him and do we go back again? and, chris, i know we're going into the weekend, but how long do you keep a city like this bottled up and tell everybody to stay inside? >> well, is there any way of tracking besides basically hard target, i me
talked about the fact and law enforcement talked about the fact that they'd been through about 60% to 70% of the entire area. i'm assuming that in the hours since then, it's now, of course, 4:05 eastern time, but they made progress close to 100%. >> reporter: yeah, but what's the area? remember, the entire city is in lockdown now. they have told everybody in boston not to leave their homes, not to open their doors, except to law enforcement officers. so while they might be able to inspect the immediate area around here in watertown, it seems a herculean task to be able to do that for the entire metropolitan region that's essentially in lockdown right now. look, there's a massive police and military presence, actually, here, actually, it's right behind me, the staging area is right behind where i'm standing here at the parking lot of the watertown arsenal here. we've had early this morning convoys of military humvees, bus loads of police and state troopers coming in here and assembling for what we thought was going to be some sort of massive confrontation or assault here. we had blackhawk
, president obama praising law enforcement in trackinging down the suspect, late last night after authorities announced they captured their man, this is what the president had to say. >> boston police and state police and local police across the come mop wealth of massachusetts responded with professionalism and bravery over five long days and tonight, because of their determined efforts, we have closed an important chapter in this tragedy. >> nbc's kristen welker at the white house for us. what's happening at the white house today? >> no events on the president's schedule but i can tell you behind the scenes, i have been told by administration officials, the president will be in contact with his national security team when necessary to monitor the ongoing developments in this investigation. you remember when president obama spoke last night, craig, he said there are a number of questions that need to be anticipated, included what motivated these two young men to take these hape noeinous action and of course did they have accomplices? that is the question everybody wants answered now. i don't
-off from the local community to law enforcement. so we have focused so much on specific ethnic groups since 9/11 in terms of potential threats. maybe we need to open the aperture a little bit. not because the communities pose a threat to the united states but because there are individuals we need to pay attention to. >> when you talk about other groups, not al qaeda but other overseas groups that you might want to investigate. other people in the new york times are saying there might have been other parts to this attack. there is a significant arsenal assembled by these guys. are you comfortable this is a two-person plot or that there may have been some other people we haven't yet seen who are advising or perhaps even funding part of this? >> i think there is no doubt that because of the seven or eight ieds that they've discovered since the capture of tsarnaev, they were planning additional attacks. the question is what were they and what would they be? >> my guess and this is a semieducated guest. we'll find other people who were tangentially involved. unwitting accomplices, providing logi
god, and our responding brothers of law enforcement were able to help us keep him in this area. >> by the time he jumps out of the car, he is about 300 yards from your officers. >> right. >> who now have to make the decision about chasing him or taking care of the officer down. and what do your officers do? >> the transit officer, it was a two man cruiser, we are giving aid, trying to get an ambulance to get him to the hospital which we know he needs desperately. they focus on that and other responding officers tried to pursue the second brother. >> i think people have been wondering how did this guy escape into the darkness. so what we know is he was about 300 yards away from the officers at the time he jumps out of the car. >> right. >> then is off into the darkness. >> exactly. >> and the people who are responding are not watertown police officers, the extra troops who were coming in are not from watertown, do not know the streets, and for them, there's a struggle about exactly how to coordinate the spot where he got out of the car and started running. >> right. you can imag
? >> represented watertown before the redistricting. i will tell you i was home like everyone else. the law enforcement officials ask everyone to stay indoors. i did because i wanted our law enforcement officials to have the ability to focus their full attention on finding and capturing the people that did this. that is obviously what happened. i hadn't heard a single complaint from anybody in boston about what happened. we were asked to cooperate and we did. we are hearing personal stories from people who were injured or from family and relatives and friends. we have learned a little more about some of the victims who lost their life, how close we all are. it is a closely knit city and it should come as no surprise how many people had some relationship to somebody who got hurt or in some cases killed. >> you directly because you know some of the victims' families. krystle campbell who is one of the victims who died went to high school with your kids she was laid to rest yesterday. you know the family of 8-year-old martin richard. have you been able to get in contact with them? have you bee
under u.s. law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say that there was a surveillance tape that shows what apparently is the second suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the man in the hospital, placing the bomb at the second bombing. this is unrelated picture to what i'm talking about now. but this is the person we're talking about. but the surveillance tape was taken at the scene of the second bombing. you may recall that there was a restaurant there called the foreign restaurant. they say a surveillance camera there shows him walking up to the restaurant with his backpack on. that he takes a cell phone off, seems to be using it for a while, then seems to be
questions put to you by law enforcement agents or by the assistant u.s. attorney, mr. weinreb. the judge then says i want to make it clear you not prohibited from making statements, but if you do, they can be used against you. you are not required to make a statement at this initial appearance, and any statement you do make may be used against you. finally, if i ask you any questions here in this hearing or at any future hearing which you think might incriminate you you have the right not to answer. do you understand everything i have said about the right to remain silent? the defendant nods affirmatively. the judge says you have the right to have this court assign counsel if you cannot afford counsel or if you cannot obtain counsel. can you obtain a lawyer? the defendant says no. and this is the first time we know that he can speak, because he does speak. he says just that one word. and apparently he says it with difficulty, because the judge responds by saying, let the record reflect that i believe the defendant has said no. i have provisionally appointed the federal defender to repres
exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will have to be mirandized, doesn't mean the end of cooperation, but no basis yet to conclude they should be treated at enemy combatants. we're talking about an american citizen on american soil. there's no evidence that i've seen yet that they were a part of an al qaeda cell or directed by a foreign government. we're very far afield from a situation which is sort of the paradigm for enemy combatant status. that is, someone captured on the balg battlefield in a theater of war. resist these charges as an enemy combatant. the court has proven capable of supporting a terrorist constitution and i'm confident the justice department with all the evidence we've seen and a lot more we haven't can build a very strong case. >> congressman, at this point w
be illegal, anyway, he's an american citizen. the law bars trying american citizens in military tribunals, but you know, i think this is to some extent moot. a, because the administration has decided how they're going to proceed, its going to be in civilian court. and b, the limited nature of the interrogation at this point because of his condition. >> have authorities interviewed katherine russell? tamerlan's wife? we know we've seen her, she's gone back to the cambridge house briefly to apparently get some mail and other things. she is believed to be with her parents in rhode island. are they interviewed her to know how much she knew about his radicalization? >> they will. they very much want to. they want to talk to every member of the family. they want it talk to all his friends. they want to know not just the answer to that question, but fill in as many pieces of the puzzle as they can. what were they up to in the months leading up to the bombing, what did they do afterwards, did they talk about plans? were they in touch with other people? the quick answer to your question is we don'
through our civilian system of justice. under u.s. law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume of evidence in the federal complaint, including description of video after the first explosion. "bomber two virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant appears calm. he glances to the east and then calmly, but rapidly, begins moving to the west. away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack. having left it on the ground where he'd been standing. approximately ten seconds later, an explosion occurs." the complaint also contains details from the carjacking victim who says one of the suspects said t
as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist under u.s. law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too. when asked just last week in the midst of the aftermath of the boston bombing, with the images and videos of the horror there, the top of everyone's mind, which worries you more, the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism. more people answered they are more worried about the government going too far. today is the first day of a big, important test for us as a country. a test of w
on boston bombing coming up this hour. when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. >>> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was of course, white house spokesman jay carney short by before 1:00 p.m. today making clear the boston suspect will not be t
and this is "way too early," the show that tips our cap to law enforcement and we mark one week since the marathon bombings. monday, april 22nd. >>> the boston bombings impact on the immigration debate as lawmakers move forward with legislation. could the fact that the suspects are foreigners change the focus of the discussion and the impact of the sequester? planning to fly sometime soony why the faa says today is the first day travelers will really feel the effects. >>> we'll get to the latest on the boston investigation in a moment. >>> first developing news overnight in washington state. at least five people were killed by gunfire at an apartment building in a suburb south of seattle. among the dead a suspect who was shot by police officers on the scene. another two bodies found in the parking lot and two more bodies were found inside the building. we'll bring you the updates on this latest gun tragedy as we get them. >>> bells will ring at 2:50 to mark one week since the deadly marathon bombings struck and according to investigators the lone surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is responding
they carjacked. there were dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officials exchanging gunfire with him. apparently they got out of the suv, then back into it, his brother was shot, wounded, almost killed, then they sort of drove -- he drove that suv himself away from there. and then fled on foot. but the question remains, how is somebody who is a 19-year-old kid, with no formal military training, who obviously was wounded, from what we know that he's here at the hospital, how he's able to evade capture for that long. apparently he used the cover of nightfall to find that boat, get underneath that tarp, and just sat there, and it was very, very close to where that incident had occurred. just a matter of blocks. in fact, our own kerry sanders yesterday had been in that vicinity for the duration of the day, and we knew this was starting to happen when kerry sanders goes we just heard gunshots. we just heard gunshots, folks moving a few blocks up. quite remarkable that he was able to evade capture, wounded, with no formal military training. that's certainly a question a lot of people are g
jersey governor chris christie wants to make some of the toughest state gun laws in the country even tougher. >>> good morning from fenway park! it's monday, april 22nd, 2013! now here's "the daily rundown" with chuck todd! boston strong! woo! >> what a great way to begin what hopefully is a better week for everybody thanks to the baby giraffes, an improv group from boston. those good morning videos, you could be tomorrow's winner. let's get to my first reads of the morning. let's run through everything we've learned since friday night's arrest. federal prosecutors may file terrorism charges today against dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old man accused of the boston marathon bombings. tsarnaev is under guard in serious but stable condition at a boston hospital with a gunshot wound to the neck. some investigators believe that wound may be the result of a suicide attempt before his arrest. he's now being questioned, but only for brief periods because of his medical condition and is responding mostly in writing because of the injury. investigators have been trying to piece together the e
ways. the fbi missed a lot of things as one potential answer or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow up in a sound, solid way. >> did the fbi fail? i would say they probably -- something slipped through the cracks for them. >> the fbi dropped the ball here, no question about it. >> they dropped the ball here. there is no doubt about it. >> if he was on the radar and they let him go, he's on the russians' radar. why wasn't a flag put him on mim? >> this is the fifth case i'm aware of where the fbi has failed to stop someone who ultimately became a terrorist murderer. >> all right. the right wing media and sometimes the not right wing media. the story right now today is that the fbi dropped the ball. and the reason for the allegations of ball dropping are that we now know the fbi questioned tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011 after russian authorities warned the u.s. they thought he may have connections to radical islam. after a thorough investigation the fbi found no evidence tamerlan was connected to any domestic or foreign terrorism activity and cleared him. this idea that because tamerlan wa
. but as the colonel said, because of that extraordinary collaboration and cooperation by all of these law enforcement resources and assets and more to the point people, professionals, who brought their "a" game, we have a suspect in custody tonight. >> the community stood strong. it was a call from a resident in watertown. we asked you to remain vigilant, and you did. we got that call and we got the guy. and so we can't thank you enough. you've done everything and more than we've asked. extremely proud of law enforcement today and what we've accomplished. >> this whole ordeal started monday with the bombing attack at the finish line of the boston marathon. three people were killed, more than 170 injured. the suspect's older brother died early friday morning following a shootout with police. the two men are also suspected of killing an m.i.t. police officer, 26-year-old sean collier, who was sitting in his patrol car. now, police hope that the surviving suspect will be able to give them some critical information about a possible motive and whether any more people were involved. nbc's katy tur has been
in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20 minutes or so. they are circling the area which is right over here, diagonal from where i am. we did see police cruisers speed that way and arm aered vehicles speed that way and we are hearing reports of some activity. we have reporters that are closer to the scene and they are saying that it does appear a bomb squad is going into a house. it's much more active than it was a few minutes ago. to give you an idea of where we are in relation to how everything has been happening. the shootout that happened early this morning happened in this general vicinity happened a couple blocks from here. that's where the suspect was killed and the second suspect fl
penalty, is that what you're saying? >> reporter: sure. because then he's got cooperating with law enforcement, but he's also lost his leverage by saying this. it is in his interest to be able to tell them something. >> you think a lawyer, michael, would have told him to hold out until he got a deal? >> reporter: absolutely. absolutely. the one thing a lawyer is going to try to do at this point is to save his life. the one way to do that is show cooperation by pointing the finger at somebody else or helping them find somebody else. look, i don't take these statements at face value, just, you know, just to be clear. you know, he could well be protecting somebody. clearly there were others who they were talking to. it's hard to imagine the two of them just simply became radicalized by themselves without any encouragement from anybody else. >> that surprises me, too. >> reporter: seems there was an accomplice in the plot. and also, we have the statements from the uncle who says there was somebody who radicalized the older brother. >> so let me thank you very much. >> reporter: that's
them legally but only reason we say that is because massachusetts has very strict gun laws and in order to possess a gun you have to be licensed for it and there's no record according to the authorities that the older brother, who i think would be the only one who would qualify to have a gun license actually had one. so they seem to be in possession of them illegally but where they got them, how they got them, this is an important question and we're waiting to find that out and they are checking that out as well. >> in your reporting you also had the opportunity to e-mail with the man that police say was carjacked by the brothers. what is this person saying and did the conversation reveal any new light about the suspect's state of mind just hours before this manhunt came to an end? >> i asked him several questions and he chose to answer only one which was to sort out these conflicting details about whether they let him go or he escaped. he said i escaped. he described them as cautious but brutal. separately in a police investigation, he's the one who called 911 as soon as they let him o
of the law enforcement should be combhited to their efforts. >> court documents contain new details about thursday night's carjacking. the fbi show tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev in cambridge at a gas station where they drove with the owner of the suv they carjacked. one began the carjacking by pointing a gun at the driver and saying, "did you hear about the boston explosion? i did get" the carjacker showed the driver he had bullets in his gun according to fbi and said, "i'm serious." at the shooting in watertown where tamerlan was killed, other explosives were found. a boston police commissioner says that's one reason he thinks the brothers planned other attacks. >> we got to step over some unexploded devices that they threw at the officers and i can only understand from that that they had other targets. they were going other places. >> that's nbc news' pete williams reporting. >>> well, today members of the house will get a top secret briefing on the boston bombings. meanwhile, the head of the senate intelligence committee is demanding the fbi explain why more wasn't done to investigate
the decision and, of course, i'm not second-guessing anybody. i did talk to a law enforcement officer over the weekend who, first of all, said, you know, it would have been much better for us all if this had been plotted out of a cave in afghanistan instead of, you know, an apartment in cambridge. >> one among us. >> yeah, one among us. but also he was saying not so sure about them shutting down the entire city and the message that that sends. you talk about copycats. the copycat said if i do something particularly heinous, i can hold an entire city hostage. >> one of the purposes of terrorists is to disrupt and forcing a city shut down and the rest, she used that end in addition to killing and injurying that you do. one of the reasons -- i don't want to second-guess the tactical decision to lock down boston. but i don't think this is something that if you will a scaleable or sustainable. >> no, we can't do this. >> imagine these guys hadn't been captured and all that. >> after what happened to the boston marathon in an internationally visible way. we were covering this all morning long. i
today to praise law enforcement and those involved in tracking tsarnaev down. >> americans refused to be terrorized. ultimately, that's what we'll remember from this week. that's what will remain, the stories of heroism and kindness, resolve and resilience, generosity, and love. >> authorities caught up with the suspect after a tip from a watertown resident. he was hiding in a boat parked outside a home. he is now in a boston hospital and nbc's ron allen is joining me from there. ron, with a good afternoon to you, let's get the very latest on his condition. are you getting word from the hospital or are they staying somewhat silent on that? >> reporter: absolutely silent, alex. they're basically saying ask the fbi, ask the police about that, and they are saying nothing as well. it's a very tight lid on top of any information about him so far today. that could change perhaps, but you have to understand and, of course, you do, that this is a very, very delicate and sensitive situation and so it seems unlikely that the doctors are going to tell us a lot about what his condition is, par
is the federal law version of what a bomb is, if death results, then that is a capital offense. the government could seek the death penalty. massachusetts is a state that does not have the death penalty. so the only death-eligible charge here would be the federal offense, even though four people were killed, the government alleges, the three victims of the. bog and the campus policeman. >> okay. in terms of the investigation, where does that stand now? what are the most prom neinent angles that are being pursued? >> these main questions are really the ones that have been true ever since the discovery of who these two people were. and the directions that they're headed in are really going to be the same here for weeks. so the investigation is not going to be, you know, taking sudden turns. the main questions are how and where did they assemble the components of the bomb. how did they buy them? where did they build them? were there any practices? secondly, what happened when the brother, tamerlan, the older brother who was shot to death thursday night, what happened when he went to russia last y
was shocked by her husband and brother-in-law's actions. >>> in dagestan, the boys' mother, still in denial. >> i am mother. i have -- you know, i know my kids. i know my kids. i really my kids would never get involved into anything like that. >> in the boston area, local police are now taking a closer look into a possible link between older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, and a 2011 unsolved triple homicide. >>> and local police are also taking a look at what links there may have been. in canada, two men charged with plotting to blow up a passenger train between toronto and new york make their first appearances in court while on capitol hill senator charles grassley keeps raising the boston plot as he opposes the timetable for immigration reform. >> the tragic events that occurred in boston and the potential terrorist attacks of the u.s. canadian railroad are reminders that our immigration system is directly related to our sovereignty and national security matters. >>> and guess who is coming to dinner? the president hosts the women of the senate, senator kirsten gillenbrand is here to preview
significantly more complex. american law enforcement officials currently track terror networks by tapping into chatter, monitoring videos and reports of field agents, but even if the fbi is tipped off to potential american terrorists, there's are limits to what can be done. "the new york times" reports that after the tib questioned tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011, officials had quote no authority to watch him because they found no terrorism activity at the time. this scenario that an american could and would do this while flying under the radar raises serious questions regarding national security. the "washington post" writes the boston attacks might serve as a new model for terrorism in the 21st century. seeing how two kids with backpack bombs seem to have succeeded in putting a major u.s. city on lockdown, it may now dawn on al qaeda leaders that a series of small-scale attacks like this conversation the same impact as one spectacular mass casualty attack. through a combination of skill and luck, we've done well at preventing the next 9/11. preventing the next boston massacre might not be as
for law enforcement and for politicians to paint this as black and white. we like to see things in terms of good and evil. evil-doers, out doing evil. and certainly the act itself is an act of evil. it's horrible what happened. but then you put that next to the description of dzhokhar by his friends and the one that emerges from his twitter feet. when you hear the president say we're confronting the face of evil and you hear his friends say, he's the nicest guy ever. he arrived, he would pick you up. >> and adopted kittens. twitter photos of kittens. that doesn't excuse anything, in terms of complicating the picture here. >> it does lend credibility to the idea that his older brother was the one that might have influenced this. it's the perfect age, what, 26 and 19, for the 19-year-old to look up to the 26-year-old. and i think it's revealing, too, that he kind sounds like he drove over his brother. >> yes, well, in the escape. >> i'd like to see, if that's true, it would be interesting to see if they charge him with that. you know -- >> involuntary manslaughter. >> that would be one of
suspect is read his rights and lawmakers raise new questions about what law enforcement knew about him and his brother prior to last week's deadly attack. >>> food for thought. president obama's slaft dinner dates continues tonight. this time it is with the women of the senate. how much could these meals be the ticket to some deals? no evidence yet. >>> a bonanza of second chance surprises. mark sanford blazing a trail, trying to make old faces new again. but can any of these folks actually get elected again? >>> good morning from washington. i'm chuck todd. this is your tuesday edition of "the daily rundown." it is april 23rd. right to my first reads of the morning. >>> 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev who was shot in the head, neck, leg and hands according to newly released documents, has been officially charged with using a weapon of mass destruction that resulted in three deaths and more than 170 injuries. he's also been charged with malicious destruction of property by means of an explosive device resulting in death. both charges carry the death penalty as a maximum sentence. tsarnae
involvement. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george washington university. good afternoon, to both of you. mike, as the investigations continue both here and oversea, we understand that investigators are confident these brothers acted alone. even as their family members express utter bafflement. what are we learning about the larger case against these suspects? >> reporter: well first of all, this is looking, martin, more and more like a case of self-radicalization. now, nothing is conclusive and, you know, we're far from the end of this investigation right now. >> of course. of course. >> reporter: but the preliminary indicators, first, you have tsarnaev saying the
and a graduate of harvard law. good to see you, congressman. good morning. >> good to see you. >> the next step of this i guess the more serious step has come from four senators and one congressman so far who are calling for dzhokhar tsarnaev to be called as an enemy combatant. let me play what lindsay graham said about that. >> he should be designated as an enemy combatant and question him for intelligence gathering purposes and find out about terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of. >> congressman, you releaseded a statement disagreeing with that. why? >> i don't think there's a constitutional legal basis to treat him as an enemy combatanc. i don't see how we can do this constitutionally. i understand that senator graham would like to prolong the interview and we all want to get as much information as we can but there are limits to what we can do and those limits apply in a situation of an american arrested for committing a heinous act like this on american soil so i don't think there's a constitutional legal basis. i also agree with dan collins. there's a lot we can d
don't know all of the information that the law enforcement who, by the way, have done such a great job of putting this whole thing together, all of them, and i'd like to applaud them. nonetheless, that all is taking place and, yes, it was a planned attack. this wasn't anything by happenstance. you look at what we know now about some of the weapons and some of the activities that these people have -- and we still don't know yet -- it hasn't come out to us yet what training that they had and where they may have gotten that training and to whom may have trained them. i think they have truly done a good job of bringing it to the attention. >> "the new york times" found an m-4 assault rifle on the boat where the young suspect was hiding. i mean, where does a teenager get a weapon like that? >> reverend al, he may have gotten it at a robbery. it seems to be unknown whether they were taken at a robbery or purchased in a back alley. it will be interesting to see how they acquired them. your question also about the explosives is very interesting but the thing that sticks out to me about the bom
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